They change their minds and their stories every second and it all depends on which way the wind is blowing.
If you show them through logic that the Steps have no efficacy whatsoever towards helping people overcome their dependencies, they’ll tell you; “Oh, it’s really the meetings that do that. You know meeting makers make it.”
Now if you had the opposite argument with that same person and pointed out why meetings are bad news, they’ll throw the “you’ve got to work the Steps” crap at you.
Some will say you have to do both and then some will say that neither are the key, that it’s the “fellowship” that counts.
It’s all just so lame.
If you’re new and ask them what the deal is, how is this going to help me? The same lack of confidence and commitment is evident by their vague replies of “Keep coming back” and “It works it you work it”.
A person who wasn’t desperate and who had his shit together wouldn’t accept these non-answers but the thing is, that most people when they first walk into those rooms ARE desperate and therefore they give those clichéd responses a pass.
I’m telling you, trying to have a rational debate based on the facts with these people will leave you feeling quite SQUIRELLY so unless you have a high tolerance for bullshit and are very patient, don’t do it.
Have a great weekend guys :-)